Friday, May 21, 2010

Getting bussier in Year 4..

Salam,

My year 4 starts with a lot of activities & commitments as a committee in Student society here (Welfare Exco). I did try to reduced my extra curicular activities by restraining myself from taking responsiblities. The reason is, I don't want to damage myself or breaking people's trust with bad quality of performance.Learning to say NO to certain things you desire but unable to cope is IMPORTANT! However, i can't stop myself from joining activites as participants..hehe

Today, I met my SSM supervisor a cardiothoracic surgeon with my other group members. We discuss on our research topic with literature review we have gathered beforehand. The topic is the relationship of left main stem coronary artery with carotid stenosis.Its gonna be BIG and I like it!

We will have to go to Institut Jantung Negara (IJN) to collect data for 6 months with the manpower of 5 people.I don't mind the extra work because our research will have the significance in managing peolpe with heart disease due to left main stem artery stenosis in Malaysia setting.

We will have SSM scientific presentation of our research next year.It is also a competition as the best presentation will present their research in a conference between 3 countries (Malaysia.Indonesia & Brunei). To gain some experience, I will join the 2nd SSM scientific presentation by our final year(year 5) next week.I did join the 1st Malaysian International Medical Conference(MIMSC) last yr and 2nd MIMS at UM last week and gets an overview of what research & research presentation really is.

With 2nd MIMSC ended, I already end my term as Society of Malaysian Medical Accociation-MedicalStudents (SMMAMS) committee member. However, i did not finish my responsibility for SMMAMS yet. There is CME for Malaysian Medical students, a program under me as Director at UKMMC on July 10th.there will be 30 participant from ten medical schools.Hopefully it will become a success like the 2nd MIMSC last week.

Society of Malaysian Medical Accociation-Medical Students (SMMAMS) committee members,2009/2010 session ( what a great team!)

from left: Melvin(UM),Kar Yee(UM),Justin(IMU),Thanesh(PMC),Aishah(UKM),Syazwani(USIM) & Benjamin (UM).

My cycle of posting in Year 4 is quite similar to Year 3 because the 2 heavy & considered tough postings are in my 1st semester. In year 3 I started my semester I with Surgery and O&G while this year I have Ortho & Paediatric in my 1st semster.LAst yr I also manage a big event in my 1 st semester (World health day as vice-director).

This year,the same cycle goes. I will manage Continuing Medical Education (CME) for Medical Students-national level, as the director.Hopefully with the experience of fortunate survival last year, I can improve myself to be better this year regardless the extra responsibility I willing to take.Insyallah!

Excited faces before entering a posterior instrumentation and fusion on congenital scoliosis arthrogryphosis patient under Spine Team



Year 4 is indeed a busier year compare to year 3. We have extra postings & assignments to be cover despite our four major postings:

1. 4 major postings:Orthopaedic, Paediatric,Triad-Ophtal,ENT,Anaes and Psychiatry.
2. Special Study Modul(SSM): need to do research in a group of 5 ppl.
3. Forensic: need to observed 10 autopsy and assist 2 autopsies

* extra things for us Twinning UKM-UNPAD students is our Pengurusan Masa(TIme management) class (university subject) on saturday. THis class is a compulsory,that we have to take in order to graduate.

Orthopaedic & Traumatology is indeed an intresting field of surgery.Its mainly about muscle & bones of your body.It consist of 8 teams: Athroplasty, Spine, Rehab, Trauma, Oncology-ortho, Paediatric-ortho,Hands & Sports.During waiting for my SPM result to come out (2005), I did an attachment at Gleneagles Hospital.I met a Rehab-Ortho specialist that introduced me to bed sores. Little did i know about bed sores until I enter medical school. However, the exposure that I got from the doctor somehow making me intrested and motivated to be in Medical field. I did consider taking intrest in Rehab.But, I will decide after completing my undergrad.

The good thing in Ortho rotation is we get to experience various teams each week during our 8weeks posting at UKMMC,cheras. There are 4 wards as our 'libraries' and one ward for ortho-paeds, with 26 bed per ward as our 'books'.We learn through understanding the patient's problems.Ortho also means a lot of revision of ANATOMY!! Now i know the importance of unnderstanding anatomy in details.

an x-ray film of Galeazzi fracture...a case for my traumatology case write up(case studies that we have to write from history taking until management including personal thoughts on it)

extra info: According to E-medicine article published in February 11th, 2010: ‘Galeazzi Fracture is an injury pattern involving a radial shaft fracture with associated dislocation of the distal radioulnar joint (DRUJ); the injury disrupts the forearm axis joint’
In laymans' term: its a fracture of bone at your forearm, specifically at lower third of your forearm that also affect your wrist.

with the complex medical term above, I rest my case!

Thanks for reading my CURHAT (Curahan Hati). I don't mind getting busy if its for the benefit of others.

Life is to SHORT to be EASILY taken. Thus,making everyday BENEFICIAL becomes MEANINGFUL!

Wasalam (",)

Friday, April 16, 2010

Elective Posting with special kids (",)

Salam,

During end of year 3 holiday, I am required to do an elective posting that is preferably more to community work rather than anything to do with medical. It is a must for medical students of UKM to fulfill this requirement before graduate.

My mum prefers me to spend most of my holidays at home.Therefore, I choose a place near my house & only do a half day work.Therefore, I choose volunteering at Kelas khas(Special need class). In Malaysia, we have 'Kelas Khas' at normal government schools to let them be in the society and not feel left out. I'm fortunate to have Puan Azizah,Penolong Kanan 1 of SK Bukit Beruang,Melaka as my neighbour who kindly give me the ride to school every morning.

At first, Puan Aishah the coordinator(yes, we share the same name..hehe) doesn't know what kind of work to give me. They never receive medical student for an attacthment before. The pogram just entering it's 2nd year at the school. They only receives their first elective teacher a week earlier than my application. I did variety of things : entering students data,entertain them, decorating the class, teaching & managing the childrens(including make them wash their hands before they eat).

Bulliying the kids or being bullied by the kids..huhu..



decorating...

The 'Kelas Khas' consists of 20 children devided into 3 classes based on their IQ : Pintar(low), Bestari(moderate) and Arif(good). They have four teachers with one coordinator. They are having shortage of teachers since I was told that the teacher to student's ratio should be 1:4.

How the children was detected and advised to enter the school??
Some of them was detected by parents earlier who later seek advice from the doctor. However most of them gets recomendation from their teacher/school to do check up at the nearest Policlinic. They will be screened by the doctor that decides weather the child have learning disorder or not.If they have certain disorder, they will be advised for further management and registered under OKU (orang kurang upaya-disable people). These children will recives RM3OO per month(if i'm not mistaken) from government.

Not all children with learning difficulties are considered as OKU and send to 'Kelas khas'.Every primary school in Malaysia have to make sure that their students can fulfill 3M (Membaca,menulis,mengira-reading,writing,counting) by standard 3 (9 years old).Teachers who detect their students cannot read or count by that time will be send to 'Kelas Pemulihan' under qualified teachers.This program is under LINUS. Teachers at 'Kelas Pemulihan' will detect weather the child can be considered as OKU or not and make referal letter for check-up with the doctor.

I had a GREAT time there and the childrens are cute & adorale(naughty at the same time..hehe). I experienced variety of disorders: DOwn syndrome,autistic,mild conductive hearing loss with with isolated speech delay,slow learner. Most of them have Attention deficit hypertensive disorder(ADHD).

{DOwn syndrome:extra genetic material at chromosome 21 causing Trisomy 21 developemntal delays and abnormalities mentally & physically, Autism:neural development disorder that impaired social interaction & communication, COnductive hearing loss: hearing loss due to defect on conducting sound to the inner ear,Isolated speech delay: speech disorder limited to language expression or production,Slow learner a.k.a Lembam(in Malay language), ADHD: either attentional problem is greater than hyperactivity or vice versa or both in a child which is a neurobehavioral developmental disorder)

During my elective posting there,I am fortunate to have opportunity to join Hari OKU Peringkat Negeri Melaka 2010 as the 'Guru Pengiring' as the class sends some children for drawing contest.I also join their Bowling therapy (held once a month) and gardening with them to upgrade their class backyard. The school also receives a visit from Thailand teachers during my 2nd week of posting.

Hari OKU Peringkat Negeri Melaka 2010

Bowling therapy

Gardening day

Visit form Thailand teachers..



The best thing of all, i was adressed as CIKGU when i was there. The kids know me as their teacher .I used to have the ambition to become a teacher until I develop more passion towards medical world. Most of my families(mom,aunt,uncles & cousins) are teachers. Therefore, this opportunity fulfill a part of me. Indeed "Giving is Rewarding"

Thank you to all the teachers and supporting staff of Kelas Khas,SKBB including 2 practical teachers in the picture and 2 male teachers not in the picture..


Everyday fills with colors of life and I learned to cope with it. Emotionally win the childs’ heart and trust is a reward for me. Receiving hug and kisses or able to make them fulfill small task is a huge success for me.

Wasalam

P/s: DO correct me if there is any correction one the facts of special class and special children.

Sunday, March 28, 2010

Health screening at SMK Teknik Sepang.

Salam,

Alhmdulillah, I've passed my year 3 without problems & happilly appreciating my 2 months break. The 1st month of my break fills with a few activities spend at KL,Kelantan & Malacca.

The lastest activity done is becoming a volunteer for health screening booth set up by our UKM Medical Society (PERSIAP). We received the invitation from Science & Social Faculty of UKM for their event Hari Jantung Sedunia at that school on 27/04/2010.

The girls setting up the banner


What we did there? Basic health check up: Height,weight,body fat measurement,Blood pressure(BP) and blood type. At the end of session, everyone will be given counselling on their health check-up result.

For the first hour, I have to manage the counselling booth.I always wonder, what kind of problem they want to know? Porblems faced by these form 4 students(16 years old)
1. Most of them have low blood pressure.
2. Some are overweight or have low/normoweight but with high fat index.

Blood Pressure is tension exerted on walls of arteries(a type of blood vessel that brings blood from heart to body cells) by the strength of contraction of the the heart.

Masitah with her favourite elctronical BP set


Example of the normal reading 120/90. 120 is called the Systolic BP while 90 is the Diastolic BP. Systolic BP indicates the blood flow into your heart while Diastolic BP indicates the blood flow from heart to body.

Therefore, low blood pressure indicates low flow of blood to your body & other vital organs. It is normal to have low BP if you are atheletes & people who exercise regularly.They also have low risk for stroke,kidney disease and heart disease. Thus, low BP is acceptable as long as it is not low enough to cause symptoms(dizziness,fainting) and problems to the body(chest pain/heart attack when insufficient blood supply to heart).

Me & the adik-adik


Weight issues & high fat index can be manage with eating in a small amount 5 times per day and choose the food according to the food pyramid. Excercise is very important.For those who doesn't involve with sports, brisk walking for more than 45 minutes,3 times per week is good for health. However, for weight reduction, for effort in cutting the calories & increasing fequency of excercise should be done.

guy's booth


girl's booth


Wasalam (",)

Tuesday, March 2, 2010

MEr..De...Ka??not really..

picture taken during exam week...distracted for a while ;P


"start a day with thinking of serving instead of being served!"

Salam,

Finally,I am able to continue wiritng after restraining myself from writing my blog due to final exam..Alhamdulillah.Waiting for the result to come out next week.

From Facebook & yahoo messanger.I can see a lot of comments from my batchmates,especially posting-mates expressing their feelings toward the questions. Mostly, they are an expression of hatred, frustration and anxious. The positive thinking ones saying how relief they are from the obtacles they face.

Life is what you see and interprate the things happen to you. How you respond will determine how you will see things in live. Either positive or negative. Positive thoughts attracts the positive things to your life. You don't belive it eh?? You can read 'The Secret' by RHonda Byrne and learn to believe & think positive. You will also find out about the power of law of attraction when you started to belief.


Ash-Sharh 94:1-8
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

Have We not caused thy bosom to dilate(melapangkan dadamu), (1) And eased thee of the burden (2) Which weighed down thy back; (3) And exalted thy fame? (4) But lo! with hardship goeth ease, (5) Lo! with hardship goeth ease; (6) So when thou art relieved, still toil (7) And strive to please thy Lord. (8)


GOd have send us reminders & words of comfort in the al-Quran. Look at verse 4 & 5. The verse repeats showing the strong reminder Allah wants us to be reminded.

"every negative things happen there always positive things behind it!"

Applying to our post exam emo..why not we think of the positive side of it.We should recall mistakes we done,find the answer for questions we don't know,recorrected our wrong and memorize the right answer.Therefore, if we are asked the same question, we already know the answer or easily recall the correct answer.

verse 6 means even after what happen, occupied your time with something that brings benefit.For me any good things can be choosen since the key to pleased God is amal ma'ruf nahi mungkar (do the good things, leave the bad things behind)

If you are not a muslim, i think you'll also agree about my point above..beacause humans are created of the instict of wanting good things in life and being good is apart of it.For example is the concept of 'Karma' in eastern religion (Hindu,Jain, Sikh & buddhist philosophies).Bottom line is,every religion teach us to do good deeds.

So, time occupying activites during my break wil be:
1.spring cleaning my room (mcm tongkang peacah due to exam week)-step by step :p
2.managing students society resposibilities as Exco Kebajikan 2- a lot of things to settle.
3.do elective posting at kelas khas at a primary school at Malacca-have to do background reading about special kids
4.duty as a Allah's servant,daughter to my parents & sister to my brothers.
5.have fun in vacation with family & friends.
6.Read a lot of non medical books.
7.Sports activities to get high & also secondary prevention of gaining weight..hehe

P/s:I always like the surah Ash-Sharh 94:1-8.I get the idea to put it in my blog
after reading '5 Tahun 5 bulan' written by Hlovate (finish reading in one day-just after exam yesterday..hehe).More books are asking to be read (",)

What is written down is a reminder to you and to myself who is still learning to be a better person.

Wasalam (",)

Friday, February 19, 2010

Live to serve..

Salam..

We live to serve or being served?

This entry is based on a motivational talk given by my beloved role model Prof. Dr Muhaya Haji Mohamad,titled: Doctors Extraordinaire at PPUKM Auditorium last night (18/02/2010)

still in a procees in finishing her book...


This talk was organised by our final year seniors. Unfortunately it was done during our study week (3rd yr final exam started on 22/2) and during 4th years final year break( they finished their final exam about 2 weeks ago). Therefore not many choose to attend the talk. Credit to Alia who become the precipitating factor of my attendence (",)

Here are some of the notes I took that can be shared.Hopefully the recording by our university will be made into CD and distributed widely among us (as what Prof wish).

1. Life is about controlling your mind. We have to live the life by design not by default.

2. Regarding my question earlier. We should live to serve not live to served!! Every doctors should have this thoughts when they wake up in the morning. We should be the person who patients feel betters when they see us not vice versa.

3.Dare to dream!! Scientifically,there is neurolinguistic programming inside our body making our thoughts influnce our body.Therefore dream of what you want(with all your heart), you will get it one day. Not 'angan-angan Mat Jenin' - In my opinion, It is proven by the birth of 'The Secret'-a worldwide bestselling motivational book by Rhonda Byrne.Therefore, picture yourself of the future you want,and insyaallah(with the will of ALlah/God) it will happen.

4.To dream you must have roadmap in life: What you achieve is based on:
definitions of your vision
firmness of your purpose
steadiness of your faith
depth of our gratitude

5.Just do it!! Don't think. I really like this idea.Thinking before doing something is good,however it usually becomes too much preventing you of doing something good. Believe in yourself when your intention is for the good. I applied this right after the talk by initiating the taking picture session with Prof..causing others to take picture with her too (",)

6.Power of word is tremendous. When you tell a lie you will become weak. In my opinion, it is human's nature because we are created to do good as chaliph of the world.Therefore, don't cheat/lie in life,especially exam!!

7.Create a very good cirlce of influence by people you meet and books you read. I would like to suggest a few which influnce the talk also.I guess Prof also read these books. She did mention The 7th Habit of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey. Another book I would like to suggest is The Secret by Rhonda Byrne. Credit to Lutfi for introducing me to these two books and Prof 2years ago (",) To be in circle of winners we should have this 3 focus in life : Health,wealth & wisdom.

8.Life is a MISSION.Keep on asking yourself how can I serve instead of ho can I bes served.How??
*help people as much to get God's help
*do things to best of your ability
*becoming the reason for people excelent
*forgive people

9.Before healing others heal yourself physically,spiritually,emotionally and socially.

10.
What your thoughts, they lead to attitude
what your attitudes, they lead to words
what your words, they lead to actions
what your actions ,they lead to habits
what your habits ,they determine your character
what your character, it determine your destiny.

11. Lets become host to God by
* be creative instead of competitive
* be kind instead of being 'right'wannabe
* be beauty
* be LOVE : Listen,overlook people mistake,Voice out good things,make Effort for it to work)
* be expansive
* be abundance
* be receptive-accept people(appreciate,acknowledge and Do NOT criticise them)

12. THe Magic 3-doing that we should have:
* Think of good thoughts
* Speak kind words
* Take good actions

These are all I can share. I hope I can do more than just that. The best always come from Prof Muhaya herself.
My dream & wishes:
1. able to have her as one of the speaker for National Medical Student CME(continuous Medical education) done at UKM in July by PERSIAP with SMMAMS(society of Malaysia Medical Association Medical Student) this year.
2. Get Prof's signature for her book: How to become a good & successful medical student, A holistic approach ( forgot to bring her book last night)

'change is permanent, personal development is a choice'

take one step at a time for change(s)..It takes 3 weeks to establised new habit(",)


May readers have benefit from this post..
For my medical student friends:May we become Extraordinary Doctors!!

Wasalam (",)

Friday, February 12, 2010

L.O.V.E is....??



Salam,

Love is a state of feeling that can do tremendous things, either postive or negative. Because of love human can make the world a better place or destroy it.

There are two kinds of love: love between human and God(ALlah) and between human and god's creation(human,animals,nature,things)

We are blessed with 'unconditional love' that makes a family close to each other: Husband and wife tolerating each other, mothers' sacrifice for the child,father's hard work as breadwinner of the family, children obeying their parents.

Unconditional love is a love given without condition or wanting anything in return.It is a natural reaction of feeling that god creates for us humans to make a world a better place. For example, mothers are the best teacher of all since nothing can beat her influence of the child. Anything that she taught her children since young will be easily digested & followed.Isn't the reason behind this is the unconditional love??

I went to a talk organized by Malaysian Student's organization at Bandung on love between men & women(between Mars&Venus,two different creature sharing same genus & species-homo sapiens). What's the cronology of LOVE that brings two different hearts togather?
1.CRUSH
2.AMAZED-positive quality shown by the person that make you like him/her
3.FEARED-fearing of losing of having to share the special place in the person's heart.
4.ACCEPTANCE-accept the person's personality positve & negative
5.SACRIFICE-willing to do anything for that person
6.HOPE-hoping that the person will love you as much as you love him/her
7.LOYALTY-loyal to the person you love.

The best way to deal with it is by coupling reaction=MARRIAGE.Which is Nikah connecting people..NOT pre-marriage coupling reaction.

The world view premarriage couple as normal thing and chosing to only couple after marriage as a weird thing. I experienced that and I'm considered as one of the weird one. I choose to 'be weird' as I think premarriage coupling only brings more bad than good. Marriage means able to give commitment to another person, therefore no harm to wait for the right moment.


DOn't be like this cat who is trapped in love...

Today, during one of our common lecture, we learned about 'Dealing with uncertainties & death' for Personal & Professional Development (PPD) course . The doctor point out that besides the patient's condition, Love is a also another example of uncertainty...Doug Hubbard define Uncertainty as the lack of certainty, A state of having limited knowledge where it is impossibleto exactly describe existing state or future outcome, more than one possible outcome.

It is true love among humans, animals and all the creation of god is in a state of uncertainty. We always forget that there is a love that is 'certain' which is love to God (Allah). We experienced the love everyday and yet we always forget where the source comes from.The air we breathe,the delicious food that we eat, the beautiful creation of god that we able to appreciate are all the prove of love that god gives us.

No matter how much we adore,look up to or hope for a person there always be the uncertainty of the state of love.It might be 'crushed' anytime.The person or animal may died,the things that you like may destroyed or stollen.The Love of god is lasting,forever and never ends unless we choosen not to believe.

I think what i like to convey about ALlah's love is well written and sing in a song 'Open your eyes' by Maher ZAIn-which is another Maher Zain song i'll learn to play with my piano right after final exam as requested by my beloved twinning UKM-UNPAD friends.

May this post brings benefit to you and me (",)

Wasalam.

Saturday, February 6, 2010

Unity & 1 Malaysia in Interfaith discussion..


Salam,

Yesterday, clinical medical students (especially 3rd years) were invited to attend an interfaith forum regarding medical proffesion. It was arranged by our Personal & Professional Develepment Modul Coordinator-Assctd Prof Harlina Siraj. It was very interesting, interactive and motivating.

SInce it was done on friday evening (where the mind of most of us towards weekends activities & going home), the attendence was between poor to satisfactory. Well, its everybody choice. ATTITUDE problem is one of the main reason. However, there are some who have teachings & long case(practical assessment) during that time.

SO, in summary here are some of things that were discussed. I only point out things that i'm confident of to share with some addition of my opinion.

In Islam, The prophet reminded us to remember about 5 things before 5 things like in Surah Al-Asr(Time) :

1.Health before ill
2.youth before old
3.wealth before poor
4.free before busy
5.life before death

WHY?? Life for Muslim is the intermediate phase as we belive in afterlife. The 5 things are the motivation for us to amal ma'aruf, nahi mungkar(do good and leave the bad things)as the preparation for afterlife later. In life we receives challanges to strenghten our faith to Allah (god).One of the challange is ILLNESS. A good believer will accept his fate but never stop losing hope to cure him/herself. Therefore, it does not mean that if you are extremely ill, you can kill yourself.

The Speaker from Buddhism(Dr Phang, a Psyhciatrist from UPM) mentioned about Karma. Karma is a concept of action or deed that causing the cycle of causes and effects.It was originating in India and applied in Eastern religions : Hinduism, Jain, Sikh and Buddhist. Basically Karma relates more to the power of your mind control.

Quoted from Wikipedia :Buddhism links karma directly to the motives behind an action. Motivation usually makes the difference between "good" and "bad" actions, but included in the motivation is also the aspect of ignorance such that a well-intended action from an ignorant mind can subsequently be interpreted as a "bad" action in the sense that it creates unpleasant results for the "actor".

There are mental and physical health.The mind can effect the health and vice versa.In medical we call the condition psychosomatic when someone thinks that he is sick but actually nothing wrong with him (physically).However, eventually he will get the physical problems also, as his minds make hime thinks he is sick.

Speaker from Christianity, Dr Lopez(Oncology Specialist) focused his presentation on abortion and ethuanasia. In Malaysia, 50 million abortions done yearly. A suprising fact indeed because Malaysia population is about 22-25 millions. Only the minority of the whole are due to medical reasons. Sad fact isn't it?/

Euthanasia..Eu means good, Thanasia means death..GOOD DEATH??Is there such thing? Ethuanasia is a mercy killing; the delibrate ending of a life of a person suffering from an incurable disease(Dorland's dictionary).However, all religion against it. Dr Lopez mentioned that Christians believed that life is sacred and humans was given the right to lead the world. In Islam, life is a GIFT from Allah(god)that we have to accept and makes good things out of it.It is not our decision to take our own life,and not even others.So far, only Netherlands legally allowed euthanasia.

Sadly, I was half awake during the 4th & last presentation from Dr Bala, Hinduism representative due to lack of sleep for long case assesment preparation (I had my long case assessment earlier on that day). Therefore, I googled and found an intresting article about Hinduism & Medical care. The basic concepts in Hinduism are Ahimsa (non-violence) and Karma. Ahisma is cause no harm either by action, word or thought(one of the reason why Hidus are vegetarian).

Karma
in Hinduism is quite similar to Budddhism about good and bad that helps balance the person's soul. The Karma lets their believer ACCEPT challenges in life (eg: illness,death,fate)by thinking of the positive things out of the bad things that happens. Can read more about it from here http://www.angelfire.com/az/ambersukumaran/medicine.html

In Islam we believed in 'Qada' & 'Qadar' which is fate & Allah's will that we have to learn to accept and go through because in everything that happens there's always the 'hikmah'(good & benificial things) behind it.Only those who make an effort to find it,will able to feel it.This is because humans created with 'fitrah'(human nature) of finding goodness in life no matter how bad he was before.

During the Question & Answer(Q&A) session, a friend ask about what if the patient wants something (eg : sperm donation) that against the doctors' religion??
ANswer: Assctd Prof Harlina says, according to International Federation of Gynecology & Obstetrics (FIGO)on FIGO committee for study of ehtical aspects of Human reproductive and Women's Health published November 2006: If a physician is either unable or unwilling to provide a desired medical service for nonmedical reasons, he or she should make every effort to achieve appopriate refferel.

in simple word: if you decided that what patient wants is against your religion, you should respect them and reffered to a colleague that share the patient's belief.

In conclusion of the forum, i would like to quote the points by Dr Munnawar Hatta,the Islamic speaker in encouraging us to learn more about other religions for better understanding and respect among each other.

We live in the world of diversity.DOn't make the interfaith discussion as a battlefield to damage the relationship among us. Isn't the reason why Allah creates us in diversity is for us to learn to accept,learn about each other and be friends??

Therefore:
1. lets join interfaith forum in future
2. Learn about the similarity and differences
3. Respect other's belief
4. Don't be afraid or have stigma in interfaith discussion if the purpose to find an agreement instead of argument.



May readers have benefit from this post.

1 MALAYSIA!!

Wasalam (",)